W
:
What
do
you
think
about
organisations
like
WikiLeaks
?
M
:
Well
,
to
be
honest
,
I
think
they
should
be
stopped
.
And
they
are
responsible
for
leaking
all
kinds
of
confidential
information
,
some
of
which
is
highly
sensitive
information
in
a
way
which
is
,
which
is
quite
honestly
.
.
.
completely
reckless
.
They
seem
to
have
no
regard
for
the
ethics
of
what
they
are
doing
,
and
I
think
they
should
be
stopped
.
They've
exposed
people
who
they
say
are
informants
,
and
now
the
lives
of
those
people
and
their
families
are
now
in
danger
.
W
:
Hold
on
a
minute
.
Can
you
that
?
prove
that
?
M
:
Well
,
no
,
probably
not
,
not
absolute
proof
.
But
.
The
only
way
to
prove
it
will
be
if
something
terrible
happens
to
those
people
as
a
result
of
the
information
which
has
been
disclosed
.
The
,
the
point
is
that
governments
and
,
you
know
,
certain
organisations
simply
have
to
be
able
to
keep
some
information
private
.
It
doesn't
make
sense
for
everybody
to
have
access
to
all
the
information
that
they
want
.
.
It's
like
saying
you
need
to
give
everybody
your
bank
details
,
because
we
all
have
the
right
to
know
,
but
you
don't
.
You
don't
have
the
right
,
and
it's
simply
ridiculous
to
think
that
you
do
.
If
you
think
about
it
,
it's
just
irresponsible
and
it's
dangerous
.
W
:
I
don't
see
how
you
can
say
that
.
Don't
you
think
that
there
are
cases
when
it's
right
for
the
public
to
know
what's
happening
?
Marc
,
where
do
you
stand
on
this
?
Marc
:
Well
,
yes
,
absolutely
.
I
agree
.
It's
not
something
I've
thought
much
about
before
,
but
in
fact
,
I
think
that
WikiLeaks
is
one
of
the
best
things
to
happen
in
the
last
few
years
.
It
has
opened
up
access
to
information
,
and
it
means
that
big
companies
and
governments
will
need
to
be
much
more
careful
about
how
they
deal
with
things
in
the
future
,
because
they
can
no
longer
hide
behind
secrets
.
And
that
is
how
it
should
be
.
After
all
,
if
you
think
about
it
,
you
can't
give
people
the
protection
to
do
whatever
they
want
without
fear
of
being
discovered
.
Whether
it's
companies
using
spies
to
find
out
what
rival
companies
are
planning
,
or
governments
holding
people
illegally
,
or
using
illegal
practices
to
get
information
.
I
think
freedom
of
information
can
only
be
a
good
thing
,
and
it's
like
a
wake
-
up
call
to
all
those
who
previously
thought
that
they
could
get
away
with
wrongdoing
by
just
keeping
it
quiet
.
That
just
doesn't
work
anymore
.
M
:
But
that
the
fact
that
some
information
,
like
um
,
military
information
,
is
highly
sensitive
,
and
shouldn't
be
allowed
to
spread
around
the
internet
where
simply
anybody
can
get
hold
of
it
and
use
it
for
whatever
purposes
they
wish
.
Marc
:
actually
information
has
always
been
leaked
.
It's
just
the
medium
that
has
changed
now
,
so
that
with
the
internet
it's
that
bit
easier
,
but
there've
always
been
whistle
-
blowers
,
and
there
will
continue
to
he
It's
no
different
.
if
the
chances
of
you
being
discovered
are
increased
,
the
likelihood
of
you
being
exposed
,
then
it
will
make
you
think
twice
about
the
actions
you're
taking
,
whether
you're
in
government
or
in
a
big
corporation
.
I
think
you'll
find
that
people
will
be
more
careful
in
the
future
,
and
in
my
opinion
that
can
only
be
a
good
thing
.